Offices have way more power to convert the world to Linux than even gaming does.
And ofc, Microsoft is well aware and is not interested in letting that happen.
Correct. Bavaria once tried the same thing, but then MS went to the local politicians, sucked their dicks a bit and boom, back to MS products it is! Hopefully the north doesn’t fall for that kind of shit, and they likely won’t because Bavaria is a backwards piece of shit of a Bundesland while Schleswig Holstein is kinda cool.
Hopefully this at least forces Microsoft to rethink riddling their bullshit with ads. I feel sorry for people who are still stuck with that trash for whatever reason.
I’m pretty sure the enterprise version of Windows does not and will never have ads. So not super relavent when talking about a transition to Linux in an office setting.
Edge “new tab” default is hellishly full of ads and “news”, the Taskbar has stock price information alongside weather and sports, and search in the start menu still shows internet searches. Even on enterprise.
You can remove the stock ticker even on home edition, on enterprise you can make it go away by default for new installs as well. And with enterprise, you can disable edge entirely and unlike home edition it won’t re-enable on upgrade.
None of these things should exist in the first place. Edge will stay disabled until Microsoft feels its been long enough since the last time they got slapped for it, then they’ll push it again.
Back then I read an article about how M$ is crippling the ability of other office packets to read their docx and xslx formats which are supposed to be open formats, but in reality are written in a way never to be fully integrated by competing products. More information about their pseudo open standard: https://fsfe.org/activities/msooxml/msooxml.en.html
Munich in the past have used Linux PCs for quite some time until eventually switching back to windows. Back then they were citing the same incompatibilities to open and read and display M$ office files correctly. So Microsoft is definitely abusing their position as a market leader and trying to cripple competition as much as they can.
So fine them and require all governemtn documents and legal documents of anybkind to be in a true open format. Its only a compatibility problem if people continue to use their format.
In the past, some people have expressed dissatisfaction when I’ve sent them files in .odt format. However, it’s the superior format in terms of support and functionality, so I always make them aware of that and of the fact that I will never use some shitty ms product…
That’s unlikely to happen in every country where they’re popular. Microsoft can just be like “oh you’re gonna fine us? We’ll pull out and you guys will be completely fucked. Have fun!”
They got into the enterprise sector so early that most offices wouldn’t function without Microsoft products/support.
We’ll pull out and you guys will be completely fucked. Have fun!"
Don’t threaten me with a good time! /s :)
They don’t need to fine them in every country. Just in Germany. If they pull our of Germany, they need to pull out of the EU. They are not doing that. They will make their document open, for real.
Iso allowing itself to be coopted into fast tracking standarizing ooxml in 2008 continues to be horrible. Ms can point and say: see ooxml is a true open format.
There was criticism at the time, but the people who had to work with it every day. welcomed it after a very short time. The end of the Limux project happened all by itself, because Munich’s mayor is an MS fan boy and said so openly at the time. It was not because of technical problems or anything else. It was just a huge kindergarten child.
It didn’t end
They actually flip flop a lot.
2006: Migration to LiMux begins
2008: 1200 out of 14,000 have migrated to the LiMux environment
2013: Over 15,000 LiMux PC-workstations (of about 18,000 workstations)
2016: Microsoft moves german HQ to Münich
2017: Dumping Linux https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/munich-city-government-to-dump-linux-desktop-84307.html
2020: Going back to Linux https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-not-windows-why-munich-is-shifting-back-from-microsoft-to-open-source-again/
2023: Microsoft opens new Experience Center in Münich https://www.munich-business.eu/meldungen/neues-microsoft-experience-center-emea.html
2023: Analysing what needs to be done to switch to Win10 before new vote https://www.tweaksforgeeks.com/ditching-linux-for-windows-after-wannacry-is-too-risky-for-munich-green-party-warns/
https://lemmy.world/comment/7251741Notice the “Microsft does X” bits and the reactions.
Totally not quid pro quo.
The software etc. continues to run. But as an official project of the state, Limux is dead and so are the subsidies etc. How far it will still be maintained is questionable. However, this does not mean that the topic of Linux and Open Source has become irrelevant. But even now, with the future plans, I strongly assume that something like this will happen again. But who cares… But it’s only the taxpayer who has to pay for it anyway…
For the downvoters. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux
LiMux Client version 6.0 is based on Kubuntu 18, KDE 5.44, GIMP 2.10, LibreOffice 5.2.8, WollMux 18, Google Chrome 80 and Firefox 60 ESR and 68; Okular is used as a PDF viewer instead of Adobe Reader, which was discontinued for Linux.[44] Like the previous versions, it was not multi-session capable. First rollout was done in April 2019 and is estimated to be fully rolled out in 2020.
Official LiMux URL. https://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/IT-Beauftragte/LiMux.html
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What I predict will happen is that Microsoft will offer them Windows for free or bribe the relevant decision makers with free Surface Pro laptops (for “evaluation”) or other Microsoft paraphernalia.
Or with creating Microsoft offices in their cities, like they did with Munich.
That’s not how they do it, of only because it would tank Windows PR image as “free stuff”.
What you do is arrange it with the government to alocate huge budget sums to purchasing Windows and other stuff from Microsoft at normal market value, then return half the money to the government officials under the desk in whatever form you care or can get away with, straight up bribes if you can swing it.
Microsoft gets to remain dominant, Windows appears to have been purchased at normal value and gets to keep its clout as fancy expensive stuff, and the decision makers get mad money out of it. Everybody wins.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_licensing_corruption_scandal
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Are there updates?
He posted this update a few months ago, it seems to be progressing well!
Nothing like paying your consulting friends to move everything to Linux to then pay them again to move back to Windows later one. Just like someone is Germany did at some point. :)
The LiMux project in Germany had some shady stuff going on in the background. Microsoft almost certainly bribed the new conservative government to switch everything back to Windows. There was a great documentary about it from DW that interviewed some whistleblowers, but I can no longer find it. However, Quidsup on Youtube did a good video encapsulating the course of events.
EDIT: I was able to find the documentary by searching the old title in German, which brought up the original German version, and from there found the English translation!
Hey- sorry to revive a very old conversation, but this evening I was updating my pihole server and noticed there weren’t any changes/additions to Quidsup’s notrack block list- so I started looking around and realized I hadn’t seen a video from him in years either.
Do you know what became of him? I used to really enjoy his stuff and it’s like he just left the internet.
Huh, you’re right, he has been absent. He still seems to be updating notrack over on his gitlab, so I have to assume he just got bored with videos, or some other aspect of his life took priority. I don’t have a twitter account, so I can’t see if he’s posted there, but hopefully he’s in good spirits and health.
I keep seeing people say they will they move to Linux instead of Windows 11. I wonder what will happen to the market share.
Worse case we could see developers becoming harassed by people demanding features
History tells us that 85% of these people will move to Windows 11 despite what they say.
There is a real opportunity here for companies though.
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Move employees to Office 365 online today ( see how many truly need the desktop apps )
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Start moving early adopters to Linux ( still using Office 365 online )
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Work to identify and replace any other software that is Windows only
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When Windows 10 goes end-of-support, move everybody else to Linux
The few that really need Excel desktop could probably run it in a VM or via a virtual desktop ( thin client ).
You could probably stop there. Honestly, I doubt it would even bother Microsoft that much. Office and Azure is the business now.
From there, you could try to advance further if you want.
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Move early adopters off Office 365
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Drop Office 365
Honestly though, for many companies, you could almost get Office 365 for free just be combining it with your Azure spend and getting a discount.
Companies that use Windows and Azure are locked into it by their use of things like AD, Intune, Exchange, OneCloud, SharePoint, Hello etc., on the infrastructure and ops administrative side, not necessarily by Office365. It’s almost impossible to make a clean break from all that for any company past a certain size.
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