Trying out Guix for the first time! Waiting for packages to download.
I’m a long time Arch user. Any tips?!
I’ve heard there aren’t as many packages for Guix as other distros, but I was thinking Flatpak and distrobox will help bridge the gap for me.
Btw, here’s how you install distrobox on Guix.
First, install rootless Podman: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Miscellaneous-Services.html#Rootless-Podman-Service.
You need to edit your
/etc/config.scm
or where ever you store your system config. Import the right modules/services, add your user tocgroup
, addiptables-service-type
to yourservices
, addrootless-podman-service-type
and configure it.(use-service-modules containers networking …) (use-modules (gnu system accounts)) ;for 'subid-range' (operating-system ;; … (users (cons (user-account (name "alice") (comment "Bob's sister") (group "users") ;; Adding the account to the "cgroup" group ;; makes it possible to run podman commands. (supplementary-groups '("cgroup" "wheel" "audio" "video"))) %base-user-accounts)) (services (append (list (service iptables-service-type) (service rootless-podman-service-type (rootless-podman-configuration (subgids (list (subid-range (name "alice")))) (subuids (list (subid-range (name "alice"))))))) %base-services)))
Then of course you run
guix system reconfigure /etc/config.scm
.Now you can do a simple
guix install distrobox
. If you installdistrobox
first, you don’t end up using rootless podman and you run into more problems that way. (You have to usedistrobox --root
.)After that command, everything should work like normal. Enjoy. 🍻
distrobox create --image docker.io/library/archlinux:latest --name arch-dev distrobox enter arch-dev
I love it especially because of the guix shell and guix shell container for dev environment isolation. It is a whole different ecosystem from the ground up though so it’s not an easy ride. But those two features make it worth it for me. Also it’s GNU distro which imo is a plus.
guix shell and guix shell container for dev environment isolation
Yeah! This is one of the features I’m most interested in. I haven’t gotten to using this feature yet, but I was curious about it.
Let’s say I’m working on a project that requires Go, Node, maybe some C library, and GNU Make. Seems like I would be able to use
guix shell
for this, right? Great.Now if a friend wanted to work on the project, could I share my
guix shell
configuration with him? (Assuming he’s also a Guix user.)I’m currently using
distrobox.ini
plusdistrobox assemble
for this kind of workflow, but of course this isn’t totally reproducible.Also, welcome to Guix System Distribution, I hope you stick around
Let’s say I’m working on a project that requires Go, Node, maybe some C library, and GNU Make. Seems like I would be able to use
guix shell
for this, right? Great.Iirc guix shell is for one off package or programs you want to test, say you want to quickly format a drive to exfat or so, when you exit the sub-shell, the installed packages are discarded
guix shell containers would work best for your scenario but I have little experience with them
I quit on day two with two takeaways:
– Hardware must be well supported in fully-libre-land - I was trying to install on a Mac Mini and had to go nonguix pretty much right away. That kind of spoiled the whole effort.
– Profound meditation and enlightenment on the essence of Scheme is a must. I had one of those ‘no, this is where you don’t want a closing brace’ moments and my zen was blown out of the water.
I would have soldiered on, but personally I like Arch first and foremost because I can (and do) have a local repo by rsyncing a rotation of mirrors couple of times a week. Just in case the Internet dies one day, you know. I realised Guix was not really suitable for the apocalypse use case, so after that brace episode I decided to stick with what my spine already knows.
After all that is said – I really hope you fare better :D
personally I like Arch first and foremost because I can (and do) have a local repo by rsyncing a rotation of mirrors couple of times a week.
Are these mirrors for prebuilt packages? If not, you should be able to pull from other channels, create your own channel and include all your packages while building them locally.
Hardware must be well supported in fully-libre-land … had to go nonguix pretty much right away.
Yep, same here. I started with
nonguix
. I didn’t realize it was easy to add additional channels.Profound meditation and enlightenment on the essence of Scheme is a must. I had one of those ‘no, this is where you don’t want a closing brace’ moments and my zen was blown out of the water.
Aaaah. I juuuust had this happen to me. Took me a bit to balance the parens again! 😂 Although, so far Scheme seems nicer than Nixlang. I’ve also had curiosity to learn a functional language, so Guix gives me a reason to learn about functional programming.
Expect a steep learning curve even if you know Linux inside out. Don’t assume things work the way they did on Arch (or most other distros). If your hardware doesn’t work well, or you otherwise need some proprietary stuff, check out https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix. Good luck!
Yep. Totally using
nonguix
. I’m trying out Guix for the reproducibility and system management, not (just) for the FOSS software.From my initial research, I thought that Guix was only going to allow 100% FOSS software. But I’ve learned that’s not the case. It’s actually pretty easy to add additional channels in order to install non-FOSS software. The third-party channels integrate nicely!
I added
nonguix
and also a channel for Tailscale!(list (channel (name 'nonguix) (url "https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix") (branch "master") (introduction (make-channel-introduction "897c1a470da759236cc11798f4e0a5f7d4d59fbc" (openpgp-fingerprint "2A39 3FFF 68F4 EF7A 3D29 12AF 6F51 20A0 22FB B2D5")))) (channel (name 'tailscale) (url "https://github.com/umanwizard/guix-tailscale") (branch "main") (introduction (make-channel-introduction "c72e15e84c4a9d199303aa40a81a95939db0cfee" (openpgp-fingerprint "9E53FC33B8328C745E7B31F70226C10D7877B741")))) (channel (name 'guix) (url "https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/guix.git") (branch "master") (introduction (make-channel-introduction "9edb3f66fd807b096b48283debdcddccfea34bad" (openpgp-fingerprint "BBB0 2DDF 2CEA F6A8 0D1D E643 A2A0 6DF2 A33A 54FA")))))
I use nix for any packages I can’t get from guix repos. So that’s an option too.
Could you share how you do that? It didn’t work last time I tried it (using Nix on top of Guix).
You have to setup a Nix service and do some symlink-ing
https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Miscellaneous-Services.html
FYI Hetzner VPS have a 1 click install for guix if you just want to try it out.
Neat. Although, I wanted to go through the installation
painexperience. Eventually, I’m hoping to run Guix on a server. I’m starting with my laptop first.
I’ve not used Guix but I don’t think any distro has anything close to number of desirable available packages as arch— so be prepared for that. My ventures into debian, suse and fedora were made quite annoying by having to work around the many missing packages. Including user-facing applications, dependencies and background programs. I never quite got down with distrobox, maybe that’s the cure.
this chart on wikipedia gives the impression that Debian has more packages but that’s not the way it feels when you are looking for something. Maybe they have a lot of dot matrix printer libraries from 1992 or something which bring the number up.
Arch includes a lot of not-at-all-free packages (which it is impossible to distinguish in pacman or other tool as far as I can find), orphaned, new packages that haven’t yet made it into other repos, and packages where no attempt has been made to submit them to other repos.
On arch I have virtually never had to go outside the repos for packages. It’s very hard to give up once you are used to it. (Even though it’s better to use properly libre/free stuff and other benefits of a more curated approach like security, stability and quality.)
I’ve not used Guix but I don’t think any distro has anything close to number of desirable available packages as arch— so be prepared for that
nixpkgs would like a word
The thing about Guix (and Nix) is that there doesnt need to be a package in the repos. You can either make your system automatically compile from source (which is how many AUR packages work) or use something like distrobox, bottles, flatpak to run extra software
use something like distrobox, bottles, flatpak to run extra software
YES! That’s my plan! I think I just figured out how to configure
flakpak
a little better.These are only part of the steps needed: https://flatpak.org/setup/GNU Guix
You also need to source
~/.guix-profile/etc/profile.d/flatpak.sh
in order to get the desktop icons to show up in the GNOME app launcher. (Usingguix home
for that!)Need to work on getting distrobox setup next. I was able to
guix install distrobox
, but it requires some extra configuration apparently.Btw, here’s the
guix home
configuration file I used to add the contents offlatpak.sh
into my~/.profile
, in order to update theXDG_DATA_HOME
env var.(use-modules (gnu home) (gnu home services shells) (guix gexp) (gnu services)) (home-environment (services (list (simple-service 'flatpak-service home-shell-profile-service-type (list (local-file (string-append (getenv "HOME") "/.guix-profile/etc/profile.d/flatpak.sh") "flatpak.sh"))))))