This is a follow-up to Jon’s original post on Carefully (but purposefully) oxidising Ubuntu and Julian’s migration spec for 25.10. We promised transparency throughout this process, and this post is written in that spirit. What happened after the announcement Following the decision to adopt rust-coreutils, we got to work. Any package shipped by default in Ubuntu must be promoted to Ubuntu Main, which requires passing a thorough security review. We quickly assembled an internal team spanning Ubun...
The team of over 200 rust developers involved with the project did. They wanted to avoid the “politics” and are not entertaining comments or explaining their decisions. It’s not up for discussion.
This is incredibly common in rust development.
E: apologies, it’s 530 contributors according to the uutils-coreutils blog.
Even if a decent number of the vulnerabilities closed by mit/rust coreutils are not exploitable or would require an insane chain, distros untouched by the perverse incentives of rust will eventually adopt them based solely on the number of closed bugs alone.
We are headed for the ibm/unix past of open source because the multipolar world we are headed towards mirrors the conditions of that past.
The tools of that transition happen to be rust/junior devs/ai, but if different tools were available that would generally reach those ends they would be in use instead.
uutils is not a “professional” project, as in people are paid by the (non-existing) uutils company to work on it.
The project started as personal hobby of one person during COVID, There were no 200 contributors who sprung up magically and simultaneously from the start.
They wanted to avoid the “politics” and are not entertaining comments or explaining their decisions. It’s not up for discussion.
If you think you saw a group of 200 people starting uutils and doing this. You should seek medical help.
I double checked myself and linked the 15 month old ledru blog post that has the actual claim and statements about rust-coreutils in my reply.
I did that before you replied to me, but it may have taken a little bit for edits to federate across instances.
The number is 530 contributors, not 200 rust developers, although I personally feel that because the project is in rust the word contributor and the phrase “rust developer” are interchangeable without incurring any accusation of manipulative language or purposeful deception.
I made no claim that uutils is a professional project. Nonetheless, the person who wrote the uutils blog post I linked is an employee of Mozilla and the author of the update in the op is an employee of canonical, the company that makes Ubuntu. This is not uncommon in all open source development regardless of licenses and is the reason I didn’t bring it up. Not enough people realize there are double digit big name projects maintained by some guy in Idaho and the overwhelming majority are shepherded by developers and maintainers in the pay of some company or another.
I never made a claim about who started the project to rewrite coreutils in rust.
A very, merry 🖕 to whoever decided to use a cuck license for this.
The team of over 200 rust developers involved with the project did. They wanted to avoid the “politics” and are not entertaining comments or explaining their decisions. It’s not up for discussion.
This is incredibly common in rust development.
E: apologies, it’s 530 contributors according to the uutils-coreutils blog.
🖕x 200 then
Any distro that packages this should package a libre version with GPL.
Eventually that option will go away.
Even if a decent number of the vulnerabilities closed by mit/rust coreutils are not exploitable or would require an insane chain, distros untouched by the perverse incentives of rust will eventually adopt them based solely on the number of closed bugs alone.
We are headed for the ibm/unix past of open source because the multipolar world we are headed towards mirrors the conditions of that past.
The tools of that transition happen to be rust/junior devs/ai, but if different tools were available that would generally reach those ends they would be in use instead.
Why are you hallucinating facts?
If you think you saw a group of 200 people starting uutils and doing this. You should seek medical help.
I double checked myself and linked the 15 month old ledru blog post that has the actual claim and statements about rust-coreutils in my reply.
I did that before you replied to me, but it may have taken a little bit for edits to federate across instances.
The number is 530 contributors, not 200 rust developers, although I personally feel that because the project is in rust the word contributor and the phrase “rust developer” are interchangeable without incurring any accusation of manipulative language or purposeful deception.
I made no claim that uutils is a professional project. Nonetheless, the person who wrote the uutils blog post I linked is an employee of Mozilla and the author of the update in the op is an employee of canonical, the company that makes Ubuntu. This is not uncommon in all open source development regardless of licenses and is the reason I didn’t bring it up. Not enough people realize there are double digit big name projects maintained by some guy in Idaho and the overwhelming majority are shepherded by developers and maintainers in the pay of some company or another.
I never made a claim about who started the project to rewrite coreutils in rust.