Maybe you didn’t read it, but the article expresses that LLMs are being used to find vulnerabilities in software.
The only real argument it makes that Mythos isn’t special is that other LLMs and human security researchers can also find vulnerabilities. This is true, but I find it funny because in the same section they note that it found 271 vulnerabilities in Firefox. I don’t think this article is the gotcha that you think it is.
You strike me as just another Lemmy drone that downvoted and hates everything AI. And the energy and negativity with which you’re attacking me when all I was doing was answering a comment about why so many vulnerabilities are being found these days with an actual true statement is just weird man. Save your AI anger for somewhere else.
Except that it is? There’s nothing particularly special about mythos and it’s not “too dangerous” to release. LLMs make it easier for people to find potential vulnerabilities, true. But they cannot actually confirm that they’re real wothout an actual person verifying it. Lots of reports are bogus.
Do I hate AI? Of course I do. It literally has nothing positive unless you’re an ai company’s ceo. It’s being sold at a heavily subsidized price that is literally unmaintainable. All models will have to use token based pricing and that’s wgen you’ll see what it actually costs (spoiler alert, it’s a fuckton of money). This awfyl technology is also why a lot of tech is getting increasingly expensive.
Not to mention that for these models to exist, all of these companies stole unfathomable amounts of data and caused chaos in the job market. Aaron Swartz’s life was turned into hell for much less.
You’re literally defending a product that’s enshitifying your life. It’s absolutely moronic.
Have you personally used Mythos? If not, I’m not confident in your assessment, especially given your self-admitted bias in this area.
And, it is pretty bold of you to tell me what is making my life worse. How about you stick to your own experience. I use Claude code everyday at work, it makes coding faster. Maybe some day it fully eliminates software engineers. Thats just something we’ll have to live with, but I also notice using it can take lots of iteration and prompting and feedback, so there are still probably human jobs there. Getting pissy about AI isn’t going to change the reality. But, you’re just one of many on Lemmy going through the stages of grief over this. But, that doesn’t change what is happening and what is going to happen. The answer isn’t to deny what is going on, but to try to change society so that people don’t fall out when their work gets automated.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
It can’t replace people. There are numerous examples where that has been attempted and it worked horribly. There are also plenty of reports confirming that it has not improved productivity much (if at all). However, you do understand how AI works, right? Not only is it incredibly inefficient, it also requires input data to generate that output you like so much. If it does replace an entire profession, then that would mean that everything regarding that profession stagnates. AI, by definition, cannot create anything that’s actually new. For example, if I were to release an entirely new programming language, it would have absolutely no idea how to use it.
Have you personally used Mythos?
My man, how many new models have claimed to be groundbreaking and etc, only to then prove to be marginally better?
If not, I’m not confident in your assessment, especially given your self-admitted bias in this area.
Ok then, be confident by actually reading studies about AI performance and its real impact in a work environment.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
I understand it very well. And, being a programmer and an electronics engineer, I do not fear at all for my salary. As I’ve already said, even if the mythical perfect model is released at some point, the technology itself is not economically viable. There are also numerous reports about how unsustainable the current business model is and how wildly expensive it would be if you actually had to pay for the computing cost. There’s a reason why the whole circular funding scheme exists too. This is a giant bubble that’s going to either pop or slowly deflate but it will not survive.
I’m getting “pissy” about ignorant, uninformed laymen repeating false headlines and promoting a technology that is actively killing the planet, worsening the lives of everyone (even more if you’re near a datacenter) and preparing to cause unprecedented harm to the global economy. Again, you’re promoting something built to enshitify your life. It’s incredibly dumb.
Dude, I’ll tell you what’s going on as an “uninformed laymen.” I manage a software team at a major company that you’ve heard of. We likely won’t be hiring new people this year and will probably be letting some contractors go because AI writes better code and faster. The ones prioritized for removal will be those like yourself, stubborn and arrogant and refusing to adapt. It’s at the point where someone taking weeks to do what can be done in 1-2 days with AI is noticeable. No one is going to tolerate laggards trying to do things the old way.
You can claim to have reports and everything saying there is no productivity gain, but it’s just flat out not true based on my actual experience doing the job. When I’ve spoken to peers at start ups, it’s clear they’re moving even faster and leaning even harder into it. They look at me like I’m a dinosaur for being cautious about AI use.
The biggest bottle neck for AI productivity is a lack of feedback. Humans still must bridge the gaps, figuring out behavior across various repos to coordinate changes in all of them, or observing production logs and data to share failures that AI can fix. The more pieces of the system that it can access simultaneously, the faster it will iterate. Humans will only provide new feature requirements and feedback on problems, while AI will iterate and iterate and iterate. It’s a matter of time before most jobs in this space are gone or at least pay way less since the scope and complexity is much reduced and there is no shortage of people who can tell AI in plain English what to do.
The concerns about bubble burst are irrelevant. The bubble bursting doesn’t make the technology go away. Some companies will fail, but others that aren’t over-leveraged will pick up and carry on. And, my company self-hosts the GPUs and runs the models internally, so an AI bubble burst would have zero impact on its ability to keep generating code.
And, whether AI enshittifies my life or whether I have any opinion about that is also irrelevant. It’s not up to me. I cannot control what other people will tend to do and just like most people don’t care if their clothes are made in a sweat shop or their food is produced on a factory farm, they will also not give a shit if the software they use was generated by AI.
Sure thing bud. We’ll see how you do when that code needs to be fixed or maintained. It’ll be fun to see your bills once your agents switch to token based pricing. Short term gains are a fools game.
Also, none of what you said disproves any of the drawbacks I pointed out.
Lastly, yes, it does matter what you think and what you do. Silence and obedience is complicity.
Maybe you didn’t read it, but the article expresses that LLMs are being used to find vulnerabilities in software.
The only real argument it makes that Mythos isn’t special is that other LLMs and human security researchers can also find vulnerabilities. This is true, but I find it funny because in the same section they note that it found 271 vulnerabilities in Firefox. I don’t think this article is the gotcha that you think it is.
You strike me as just another Lemmy drone that downvoted and hates everything AI. And the energy and negativity with which you’re attacking me when all I was doing was answering a comment about why so many vulnerabilities are being found these days with an actual true statement is just weird man. Save your AI anger for somewhere else.
Except that it is? There’s nothing particularly special about mythos and it’s not “too dangerous” to release. LLMs make it easier for people to find potential vulnerabilities, true. But they cannot actually confirm that they’re real wothout an actual person verifying it. Lots of reports are bogus.
Do I hate AI? Of course I do. It literally has nothing positive unless you’re an ai company’s ceo. It’s being sold at a heavily subsidized price that is literally unmaintainable. All models will have to use token based pricing and that’s wgen you’ll see what it actually costs (spoiler alert, it’s a fuckton of money). This awfyl technology is also why a lot of tech is getting increasingly expensive.
Not to mention that for these models to exist, all of these companies stole unfathomable amounts of data and caused chaos in the job market. Aaron Swartz’s life was turned into hell for much less.
You’re literally defending a product that’s enshitifying your life. It’s absolutely moronic.
Have you personally used Mythos? If not, I’m not confident in your assessment, especially given your self-admitted bias in this area.
And, it is pretty bold of you to tell me what is making my life worse. How about you stick to your own experience. I use Claude code everyday at work, it makes coding faster. Maybe some day it fully eliminates software engineers. Thats just something we’ll have to live with, but I also notice using it can take lots of iteration and prompting and feedback, so there are still probably human jobs there. Getting pissy about AI isn’t going to change the reality. But, you’re just one of many on Lemmy going through the stages of grief over this. But, that doesn’t change what is happening and what is going to happen. The answer isn’t to deny what is going on, but to try to change society so that people don’t fall out when their work gets automated.
It can’t replace people. There are numerous examples where that has been attempted and it worked horribly. There are also plenty of reports confirming that it has not improved productivity much (if at all). However, you do understand how AI works, right? Not only is it incredibly inefficient, it also requires input data to generate that output you like so much. If it does replace an entire profession, then that would mean that everything regarding that profession stagnates. AI, by definition, cannot create anything that’s actually new. For example, if I were to release an entirely new programming language, it would have absolutely no idea how to use it.
My man, how many new models have claimed to be groundbreaking and etc, only to then prove to be marginally better?
Ok then, be confident by actually reading studies about AI performance and its real impact in a work environment.
I understand it very well. And, being a programmer and an electronics engineer, I do not fear at all for my salary. As I’ve already said, even if the mythical perfect model is released at some point, the technology itself is not economically viable. There are also numerous reports about how unsustainable the current business model is and how wildly expensive it would be if you actually had to pay for the computing cost. There’s a reason why the whole circular funding scheme exists too. This is a giant bubble that’s going to either pop or slowly deflate but it will not survive.
I’m getting “pissy” about ignorant, uninformed laymen repeating false headlines and promoting a technology that is actively killing the planet, worsening the lives of everyone (even more if you’re near a datacenter) and preparing to cause unprecedented harm to the global economy. Again, you’re promoting something built to enshitify your life. It’s incredibly dumb.
Dude, I’ll tell you what’s going on as an “uninformed laymen.” I manage a software team at a major company that you’ve heard of. We likely won’t be hiring new people this year and will probably be letting some contractors go because AI writes better code and faster. The ones prioritized for removal will be those like yourself, stubborn and arrogant and refusing to adapt. It’s at the point where someone taking weeks to do what can be done in 1-2 days with AI is noticeable. No one is going to tolerate laggards trying to do things the old way.
You can claim to have reports and everything saying there is no productivity gain, but it’s just flat out not true based on my actual experience doing the job. When I’ve spoken to peers at start ups, it’s clear they’re moving even faster and leaning even harder into it. They look at me like I’m a dinosaur for being cautious about AI use.
The biggest bottle neck for AI productivity is a lack of feedback. Humans still must bridge the gaps, figuring out behavior across various repos to coordinate changes in all of them, or observing production logs and data to share failures that AI can fix. The more pieces of the system that it can access simultaneously, the faster it will iterate. Humans will only provide new feature requirements and feedback on problems, while AI will iterate and iterate and iterate. It’s a matter of time before most jobs in this space are gone or at least pay way less since the scope and complexity is much reduced and there is no shortage of people who can tell AI in plain English what to do.
The concerns about bubble burst are irrelevant. The bubble bursting doesn’t make the technology go away. Some companies will fail, but others that aren’t over-leveraged will pick up and carry on. And, my company self-hosts the GPUs and runs the models internally, so an AI bubble burst would have zero impact on its ability to keep generating code.
And, whether AI enshittifies my life or whether I have any opinion about that is also irrelevant. It’s not up to me. I cannot control what other people will tend to do and just like most people don’t care if their clothes are made in a sweat shop or their food is produced on a factory farm, they will also not give a shit if the software they use was generated by AI.
Sure thing bud. We’ll see how you do when that code needs to be fixed or maintained. It’ll be fun to see your bills once your agents switch to token based pricing. Short term gains are a fools game.
Also, none of what you said disproves any of the drawbacks I pointed out.
Lastly, yes, it does matter what you think and what you do. Silence and obedience is complicity.