Are your clothes machine knitted? Do you know you’re destroying the jobs of people who hand knitted clothes? And let’s not forget the art form of hand knitting that is now being insulted by people who buy machine knitted clothes without a care. And let’s not forget about the environmental impact of knitting machines that require electricity while hand knitting doesn’t!
The same could be said about so many things.
There isn’t really a fundumental difference thar I can see between AI and other tools, at least that I can see.
Students are using it to do their homework for them and learning nothing; at least with CliffsNotes you got the gist of what you were supposed to be reading. We shouldn’t want a dumber society.
GenAI also makes it substantially easier to post propaganda and spam. Bots on the internet were already common but now trying to find genuine art or conversations is like pulling up steel from ships that sank before 1945 because everything since then has been irradiated.
The US’s dumbfuck government almost started a war with China earlier this year thanks to someone using GenAI. And yeah everyone knows they’re a bunch of fucking idiots but that doesn’t change the fact that it wouldn’t have happened if LLMs didn’t exist.
AI in school is an interesting issue, we can’t discount the fact that there are benefits to using AI in school as well. It needs to be up to countries to regulate usage and educate children on it’s use. Socialist countries seem to be doing a pretty good job at this.
The US’s dumbfuck government almost started a war with China
“sources say” hmm I wonder what those sources are, I’m sure the CNN would never extrapolate information out of nowhere to spread sinophobia and call for AI regulation (which is exactly what AI companies want at the moment.)
Calling something just a tool is whitewashing who’s making it and promoting it and what it’s used for. Stop saying that AI is just a tool and it only matters how it is used
I’m not sure how calling AI a tool is whitewashing. Of course tools don’t exist outside of their material conditions, however, AI has many benefits, it’s just that capitalist economies will always use tools for the detriment of workers. Socialist countries have economies that are orientated to benefit the working class. They recognise the problems that arise from AI and work to fix them while using its benefits as much as possible to liberate workers rather than burden them.
I don’t think AI is the most destructive at all. AI is responsible for around 1% of carbon emissions (do your own research if you want a proper source). There are so many things, such as cars that emit way more than this.
As for job loss there are so many things that have eliminated so many more jobs. Tractors, knitting machines, production lines, automation in factories etc. No one says we should stop using tractors so we can have more jobs for farmers.
also: i do knit, lol. just a coincidence in example.
That’s funny, I’ve got a half knitted scarf somewhere but I’ve never gotten into it properly.
Now do it for the planned capacity of every AI data center currently planned or under construction or waiting for compute manufacturing by the big tech monopolists, and the trillions of dollars of labor that they’re telling the world they’ll replace whether the product is capable of it or not.
The bot doesn’t have to be able to do your job to displace your labor. It only has to convince your boss that it can. Right now the big tech monopolists are actively convincing the entire world’s bosses that they can replace your labor. This doesn’t have to be true to be a labor issue, and it certainly doesn’t have to be true to be a devastating economic bubble.
Now do it for the planned capacity of every AI data center currently planned or under construction or waiting for compute manufacturing by the big tech monopolists, and the trillions of dollars of labor that they’re telling the world they’ll replace whether the product is capable of it or not.
No you. My statistic still stands, if you would like to provide a different one please do. Maybe it will be 2%.
Your second paragraph is shifting the blame away from capitalism and towards AI. Economic bubbles and mass layoffs are features of capitalism, this is a pattern that has been repeating since capitalism was born. If not AI it would be something else.
I don’t believe they’ll finish. If you do believe they’ll finish and succeed in ripping communities off as planned, then I think you’re also predicting that this stuff really works and soon.
I think the real problem is that sometimes things like this come around that are disruptive to the workforce, faster than the workforce can handle the influx of new unemployment.
It will in theory sort itself out, but at the moment, were in a transition period.
That doesn’t mean its bad, but it can mean that our governments aren’t responding in ways that support the worker in the transition which is their fault, not the technologies fault.
Edit: essentially disruption will always keep happening, its how its handled thats the important part.
essentially disruption will always keep happening, its how its handled thats the important part.
I do agree. We can look at countries with different economic and political systems to see which ones handle them best. Countries with socialist economic systems are able to use AI for the benefit of workers. While companies with capitalist economic systems use AI at the expense of workers.
No it’s just the newest tool that does that.
Are your clothes machine knitted? Do you know you’re destroying the jobs of people who hand knitted clothes? And let’s not forget the art form of hand knitting that is now being insulted by people who buy machine knitted clothes without a care. And let’s not forget about the environmental impact of knitting machines that require electricity while hand knitting doesn’t!
The same could be said about so many things.
There isn’t really a fundumental difference thar I can see between AI and other tools, at least that I can see.
GenAI lets teenagers nudify their classmates, creating child porn. Twitter even let you do it directly on the site earlier this year.
Students are using it to do their homework for them and learning nothing; at least with CliffsNotes you got the gist of what you were supposed to be reading. We shouldn’t want a dumber society.
GenAI also makes it substantially easier to post propaganda and spam. Bots on the internet were already common but now trying to find genuine art or conversations is like pulling up steel from ships that sank before 1945 because everything since then has been irradiated.
The US’s dumbfuck government almost started a war with China earlier this year thanks to someone using GenAI. And yeah everyone knows they’re a bunch of fucking idiots but that doesn’t change the fact that it wouldn’t have happened if LLMs didn’t exist.
Calling something just a tool is whitewashing who’s making it and promoting it and what it’s used for. Stop saying that AI is just a tool and it only matters how it is used
AI in school is an interesting issue, we can’t discount the fact that there are benefits to using AI in school as well. It needs to be up to countries to regulate usage and educate children on it’s use. Socialist countries seem to be doing a pretty good job at this.
“sources say” hmm I wonder what those sources are, I’m sure the CNN would never extrapolate information out of nowhere to spread sinophobia and call for AI regulation (which is exactly what AI companies want at the moment.)
I’m not sure how calling AI a tool is whitewashing. Of course tools don’t exist outside of their material conditions, however, AI has many benefits, it’s just that capitalist economies will always use tools for the detriment of workers. Socialist countries have economies that are orientated to benefit the working class. They recognise the problems that arise from AI and work to fix them while using its benefits as much as possible to liberate workers rather than burden them.
the newst tool happens to be the one doing the most destruction, so… yes.
also: i do knit, lol. just a coincidence in example.
I don’t think AI is the most destructive at all. AI is responsible for around 1% of carbon emissions (do your own research if you want a proper source). There are so many things, such as cars that emit way more than this.
As for job loss there are so many things that have eliminated so many more jobs. Tractors, knitting machines, production lines, automation in factories etc. No one says we should stop using tractors so we can have more jobs for farmers.
That’s funny, I’ve got a half knitted scarf somewhere but I’ve never gotten into it properly.
Now do it for the planned capacity of every AI data center currently planned or under construction or waiting for compute manufacturing by the big tech monopolists, and the trillions of dollars of labor that they’re telling the world they’ll replace whether the product is capable of it or not.
The bot doesn’t have to be able to do your job to displace your labor. It only has to convince your boss that it can. Right now the big tech monopolists are actively convincing the entire world’s bosses that they can replace your labor. This doesn’t have to be true to be a labor issue, and it certainly doesn’t have to be true to be a devastating economic bubble.
No you. My statistic still stands, if you would like to provide a different one please do. Maybe it will be 2%.
Your second paragraph is shifting the blame away from capitalism and towards AI. Economic bubbles and mass layoffs are features of capitalism, this is a pattern that has been repeating since capitalism was born. If not AI it would be something else.
I don’t believe they’ll finish. If you do believe they’ll finish and succeed in ripping communities off as planned, then I think you’re also predicting that this stuff really works and soon.
get back to the scarf! i have a blanket im working on too lol.
but yeah. i think from our sw/eng industry, ai is at the least the one with the steepest destructive “curve”, i suppose.
ty for your reply.
Maybe one day, I would like a scarf.
Flying is almost surely more destructive, and pretty common part of how we work these days.
I think the real problem is that sometimes things like this come around that are disruptive to the workforce, faster than the workforce can handle the influx of new unemployment.
It will in theory sort itself out, but at the moment, were in a transition period.
That doesn’t mean its bad, but it can mean that our governments aren’t responding in ways that support the worker in the transition which is their fault, not the technologies fault.
Edit: essentially disruption will always keep happening, its how its handled thats the important part.
I do agree. We can look at countries with different economic and political systems to see which ones handle them best. Countries with socialist economic systems are able to use AI for the benefit of workers. While companies with capitalist economic systems use AI at the expense of workers.