You already announced you use Arch… So you’re doing good

Absolutely it can.

But Redhat is a huge contributor

The biggest threat that Linux faces isn’t from Microsoft or other companies. Over the past 30 years, I’ve noticed it is actually from the community. I’ve seen so many cases where the community blows things out of proportion and scares off developers. It sucks. Linux and open source would be so much more successful if we didn’t constantly make open source toxic for companies

Poor people like Lennart Poettering get shat on constantly too. He could get a much better paying job

Even right now… VSCode. It’s open source and MIT. People are STILL crapping on Microsoft and saying stuff like “oh wait for the enshittification”, instead of thanking them, or encouraging them for more

It’s bonkers… There’s so much negative reinforcement out there that it’s scaring people away

Pipewire is developed by a Redhat employee… A lot of projects are including policykit… No they don’t own it, and yeah, they’re all open source and are freely used by the community

From my experience with development, a lot of these projects primarily succeed because they have a lot of backing. Also, someone needs to start them off, and a lot of these projects are also started by redhat

But you probably trust them for every other project like pipewire and such?

In practice, Linux is that it is today thanks to Redhat.

Half of what you’re writing isn’t really true.

You’re likely assuming a lot of that.

Everyone knows that Oracle was the reason. Sorry, but they basically bragged that they stole the latest rhel source code and added an unbreakable kernel. And they purposely targeted Redhats customers with support by stealing their work.

In other words, their only other choice was to basically close shop… Oracle has been screwing them for years,

Also, sorry, but is it disrespectful when a company drops a project? We could make that same comment about every project. Also, CentOS is open source, as you said, so anyone can download it . They didn’t.

You’re also likely assuming they’re not pouring a huge amount of resources into it too

The perfect current example of rhel improving Linux is pipewire. They are literally unfucking Linux one component at a time in large chunks. It’s insane that people here are treating them so badly.

In fact, the community has no problems mistreating Linux developers over tiny things, which is why developers like myself which have been badly attacked in the past have stopped contributing

To be blunt…

Redhat contributes a huge amount to the community.

The only ones who think they’re misstepping or whatever are just making noise and likely aren’t even using RHEL.

I don’t think people realise exactly how far their contributions go for usability, and getting rid of Redhat of actually a really bad thing for Linux.

I’d even argue, the only people complaining about this likely don’t contribute anything to Linux anyway…

The only thing they did is stop oracle pulling their repo, rebranding and selling support slightly cheaper.

That’s not why people move to big hosters.

They move because you don’t need to waste money managing them, and they have reliable backup

We used to host our own, but big providers are so cheap and have such a good interface that it doesn’t make sense to host our own.

It’s the same reason why most companies don’t host their own web servers.

Even large corporations use AWS or similar.

I think I tried emudeck and it wouldn’t install. But that wasn’t their issue (turned out to be a regression upstream).

I think I had stuttering sound in audio too. But that’s via HDMI.

Spdif no issue

I also used another gaming distro though so might be confusing them

They should absolutely keep developing it. It will only get better, and I’m a unique case because I’ve been using Linux probably since 1998 or so.

But I feel they make things a bit more custom, and it will only get better. It has a lot of potential, and is probably the best option already for many people

Yeah. And honestly, way land already works fine (even screen sharing). Waydroid is a bit of a killer app too (but needs more refinement,).

Gimp runs in windows. The security thing isn’t really true (X11 isn’t secure and it can’t be fixed apparently)

In fact, as others have said, really bad comparison…

I tried it. Gave up and moved to regular fedora at the end. I didn’t see any real benefits personally

I did like many of the ideas, like gamescope is built in. But I think I had minor issues

I disagree… The problem actually is that Wayland is optional, and still is.

So everyone was dragging their heels (and some still are). If all the major distro’s set a cut off date, then things would speed up. The biggest reason for delay was Nvidia imho, so now that they’re sorted, it seems things are falling into place faster.

X11 still hasn’t solved any of their real issues, and its still a security nightmare (which can’t be fixed). Furthermore, most of the developers have moved off it.

What exactly do you like about X11?

Actually, I did have this exact issue last time I used bazzite, and ended up switching to fedora.

Bluetooth would just stop working. Which was an issue because I was using a dual shock as a mouse and for gaming

Ahh yes. I switched companies because some new sales guy I discovered was getting paid more than me after I was there 9 years.

Looking forward to an upgraded crossover office along with it

I don’t know how GitLab would make anyone terribly unproductive. I see many FOSS projects or even entire (proprietary) software companies choosing GitLab for source code management. In fact, the company I work at (a government contractor) uses GitLab, as well as many other FOSS tools. And it’s definitely not a FOSS company, our main customers are the police and military.

The switch process will be terribly unproductive. Also, even the process of discussing the change is a nightmare. Don’t forget all the backend stuff that needs to change too from all downstream. It’s not as easy as using the API and tools to copy the repo in this case… Everyone from Fedora to Zedora is affected on their side because the upstream address will change

Sure, but their first choice for a data source is GitHub. For other platforms, they would need to develop and maintain an indexer/crawler (which you can block), which costs time and thus money. Just think about it, why would you upload my code to a platform, when you know that the owner of that platform actually hates FOSS and only wants to profit from it?

Microsoft actually contributes a lot to open source… Why would they need an indexer / crawler? They already index everything using bing… Then they just need a git pull.

What has Microsoft recently contributed to the FOSS community? I mean truly contributed. Why should a FOSS project use their proprietary products when other free (both as in price and as in freedom) alternatives exist?

Because they work… Switching platforms offers no real benefits in any way, and Github is free for open source projects.

Dumb argument. The code editor/IDE is a personal choice of each developer. The software forge isn’t. I really doubt that anyone at OpenSSL is using VSCode (a bloated JavaScript mess) for C development. But if you need to use it, there’s VSCodium which is completely open source and removes the Microsoft tracking.

Yeah… Sure… Every developer I know these days except one uses VSCode. And we took him off the main team in our company because he was taking too long to do things (because we are all using copilot).

What exactly do you think Microsoft is tracking? Do you think they’re peeking on developer webcams? Nope… https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/telemetry . Crash reports are normal… Its all GDPR anyway. I don’t care if Microsoft knows what language I’m developing on

So is GitLab

Cool… I’ll just leave this here: https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/05/0-click-gitlab-hijacking-flaw-under-active-exploit-with-thousands-still-unpatched/

People should use what they want. It’s actually bad for the community when people who contribute nothing try to project manage projects they have nothing to do with. It’s their decision… If you don’t like it, fork OpenSSL to Gitlab and do your own thing… Trust me, you’ll notice that choosing Github vs Gitlab doesn’t affect project success.

Again, the productivity is what matters. You dont think they could train copilot if it’s hosted on a remote git repo?

Also, are you going to do the self hosting for them? It uses a lot of resources and time to self host. Again, nobody knows this better than us.

Also, what have you contributed to openssl lately? Resources? Money?

Switching hosting isn’t a two second job either. There is a serious hit to productivity during migration for everyone, including distros.

Are they allowed to use vs code to develop too? Or do they need to change?

Nothing helps open source succeed better than productivity. Also, if they can train copilot with open ssl, good luck. Apparently the code is difficult

Also, there is always the possibility some of these smaller ones go bankrupt. GitHub is highly unlikely to

What bugs? Be specific…

Also, I can’t remember the last time Github has been offline for me (in the last 3.5 years of using it at work)

Those are fairly weak arguments honestly, none which have anything to do with the features on GitHub itself. In fact, this could have been written by someone who has no development or project management knowledge

Open source projects also don’t pay for GitHub.

Here’s one counterargument. One of our projects failed because we wasted so much time arguing about the hosting that we didn’t get much done. We moved between a few different services and wasted time comparing shortcomings between them.

In practice, migration from GitHub is actually super easy if you ever wanted to because they literally have an API for everything. It also is a really comprehensive service, and a lot of the open source ones are missing things

Im not a fan of Microsoft, but GitHub works really well and you can rely on it to be fully reliable (there have been few outages)

Not really. On Lemmy, it seems to just refer to anything these days

And that includes theoretical predictions for things that never happened yet