there’s never enough time sadly 😢

that would be amazing

there’s a serious nostalgia vibe to it, reminds us of simpler times :)

thank you for taking your valuable time away from huffing gas to share your insights with the world little dronie

I guess everything is a joke to a clown.

First of all, that’s obviously false. Second of all, go look at unemployment rates in USSR. You literally have no clue regarding the subject you’re attempting to debate here. However, even your whole premise is insane. We shouldn’t strive to do work for the sake of work. Automating toil away so people can spend their lives in a self directed fashion is unarguably a good thing. You’re just arguing for having what David Graeber called bullshit jobs here.

Automation is very obviously not inherently anti-labor. The way automation is used under capitalism is, but I didn’t really expect any deep intellectual insights from you.

Ah yes, automation is anti-labor you are very intelligent.

Yup, a month is a good first checkpoint for a project. People tend to get really excited early on, but then they either get bored and move on, or start running into some hard problems they didn’t anticipate. If somebody can work on a project for a month in sustained fashion, there’s good chance they’re actually using it themselves and will have the motivation to keep going.

Thank you so much for highlighting a hypothetical problem which only exists in your head. Seems like screeching about anything LLM related has now become the entire identity for some people. Really should find a new hobby.

Using LLMs to vomit out all of your code into one commit is vibecoding. It’s clearly vibecoding when there weren’t even multiple commits. No trial and error, no refinement, just one giant dump.

Yeah, I completely agree there. Just like with regular coding, you have to go slowly, implement functionality in small focused chunks, review, and iterate.

And I’d also wait and see whether the project continues to be maintained before considering it. I just posted it because I thought it was neat, and might be worth watching to see how it develops, not that I’d use it over a more mature option at the moment.

I think we’re actually in complete agreement here.

The exact same way you decide now. You go look at the projects, see which ones have the features you want, then you tend to look at how many users the projects have and how mature they are, and then pick one based on that. Don’t pretend that some thing changed here all of a sudden.

Again, I don’t really see the difference here. Whether the authors continue to maintain the project long or not has little to do with what tools were used to build the project. And calling anything where LLMs are used for development vibecoding is just silly to be honest. There’s a huge variation in quality of code both in hand written code and that where LLMs are used. What you should be looking at in both cases is how much usage project gets, how good the tests are, whether authors built useful things before, and so on.

If a project is useful then I really don’t care how it’s coded. Existing projects are in no way diminished by the fact that this project exists.

I didn’t make it, but I don’t see why people get upset that there are more of these projects out there. Something existing certainly never stopped people from making their own before either.

yeah that’s a perfect analogy actually

I mean that’s already happening. Less than half of the proposed ones is being built, and once the bubble pops I don’t think even the ones that are currently being started will get finished.

yeah, if I find any dramatic improvement I’ll follow up

Or maybe your architecture evolves over time as it actually does in real world large projects. Sounds like somebody’s never worked on a large long running project before.

Nowhere did I say there’s no reasonable architecture. Please don’t put words in my mouth. What I said, is that I haven’t found a good way to get quick compiles end to end. And already I don’t have any files more than 3-4k loc, most are under 1k.

thanks will see what happens